The Problem
My cofounder and I ran a profitable design-and-engineering agency from 2017 to 2023. Twenty-two people. Roughly $2M in annual revenue. Healthy 22% net margins. We had a good thing.
The problem was that good agencies don't compound. Every January we started revenue at zero. Our best client could fire us with thirty days' notice. We'd both watched friends running similar shops hit a ceiling — usually around $4-6M revenue — beyond which they had to either ramp into a much bigger services org or transition into a product company.
We wanted the product company. Between 2020 and 2023 we tried to build an internal SaaS product four separate times. All four failed. Each one followed the same pattern: we'd kick off in January with full engineering enthusiasm, get distracted by client work in March, slow down in May, and abandon by August. The agency revenue always won the attention contest.
In late 2023 we sat down and admitted that if we kept trying to build a product on the side of an agency, we would still be running a $2M agency in 2030. Something had to break.
The Journey
In November 2023 we made a structural decision. We were going to spin out the SaaS attempt into a separate legal entity, with a separate team, a separate office, and a hard rule: nobody on the SaaS team did any agency work, ever. The agency would fund the SaaS for eighteen months. After that, the SaaS had to be self-sustaining or we'd shut it down.


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